“犯罪现场”主任探索有关Elisa Lam和Cecil Hotel的真相
‘Crime Scene’ Director on Exploring the Truth About Elisa Lam and the Cecil Hotel
剧透警报：如果您还没有看过“犯罪现场：塞西尔酒店的消失”，请不要阅读，现在在Netflix上流媒体。亚马逊的污染，纪录片人乔·贝林格（Joe Berlinger）在职业生涯中花了很多时间，他的个人慈善事业表现出虚假的叙述并讲述了不法定罪的故事。但是，他还对探索地理如何影响犯罪行为感兴趣，例如“失落的天堂”，2014年的“怀特：美国：美国詹姆斯·J·布尔格”和2019年的Netflix Docuseries与杀手：杀手：泰德·邦迪磁带。”现在，他已经与彩带合作“犯罪现场”，这是一家真正的犯罪纪录片，使他比以往任何时候都更深入地研究这些元素。“犯罪现场”的第一个季节被命名为“塞西尔酒店的消失”。 ”并调查了科尔的神秘失踪EGE的学生和旅游Elisa Lam，在访问洛杉矶期间，她住在臭名昭著的Cecil酒店。当她在2013年初失踪时，她独自一人在电梯里的录像带流行了，互联网侦探开始假设她发生了什么事，包括考虑超自然现象，除了被另一位前旅馆客人谋杀外。电梯镜头首先出来了，我对此感到非常着迷。这是令人困扰的，这很奇怪，但更重要的是，这是涉及网络侦探的早期案例之一，我对这种现象着迷，”贝林格告诉《综艺》。贝林格说，在“真理的本质受到攻击”的时代，他与记者乔什·迪恩（Josh Dean）关于林的故事作为该项目的最初入口。 “但是，由于过去讲述了这个故事，所以让我们以不同的方式做，那就是创建一个聊天的系列他继续说道：“回合的地方，但使用Elisa Lam作为一个故事。我们只是决定，这种方法是为观众提供与案件不断发展的理论相同的经验。显然，这意味着要拒绝选择性信息，直到正确的戏剧性时刻。这些纪录片的重点是围绕伊丽莎（Elisa）案的矛盾理论，不是从梳理酒店的警察中，而是来自在线公民对调查所听到的回应。您觉得有多少在讲这样的故事时弄乱了水？有一些非常有意义的人真正感觉到与Elisa的联系，并且真的很想解决她的罪行，我认为他们的意图和专注于她的案件确实在洛杉矶警察局的领导下点燃了一场大火，所以我认为在那里很有帮助。通常，在某些情况下，网络侦探和对案件着迷的人有助于将其前进。实际上，他们的祖父都是当“失去天堂失落”的时候。就在互联网大步向前。没有社交媒体这样的事情，但是志趣相投的人正在互联网上找到自己，“失去天堂失去”引发了成千上万的人来重新审议此案，并倡导释放西孟菲斯三人。另一方面，随着互联网巨魔和网络欺凌的兴起，我们看到有些人以各种疯狂的阴谋论进行交易，这并不是很好。您说服他或一些网络侦探承认自己错了，对您来说是什么，对您来说是什么Ree要这样做？它给我留下了深刻的印象，采访了他，这对他来说仍然有多痛苦。这使他停止创作音乐。无论他的音乐是否是您的品味，他都是一位创意艺术家，但他感到远离了七年的任何事情。因此，显然是虚假指控的黑暗一面，并且在阴谋论中进行了交易。但是我必须给他们信誉，让他们参与并不需要令人信服。他们有兴趣分享自己的经验。您采访了许多以前从未公开谈论过这种情况的人，当您询问有关酒店或酒店安全性的问题时，许多人很容易进行辩护警察工作中犯了错误。您是否发现自己必须向任何人保证？电影制片人的关系对这些事情至关重要。幸运的是，我们与之交谈的许多人都熟悉我的工作，他们知道我的工作具有完整性。他们可以看一看我的IMDB，他们会在那里看到许多学分。我已经做了很长时间了。然后我只是解释了为什么该节目吸引我，为什么我想和他们交谈，我的目标是什么。我们有像酒店经理艾米·普莱斯（Amy Price）这样的人； Pablo Vergara；蒂姆·玛西娅（Tim Marcia）是演出中从未说话的侦探之一。您只需要与人保持直觉，并且没有议程。另一方面，Elisa的亲人不参与此纪录片。您是否伸出援手试图让他们参与进来？我们多次尝试与家人交谈。我们与朋友联系。一家人没有回应，朋友们回答说他们不想参加。没有人告诉我们，“不要这样做”，这让我对此感觉更好，但是没有人想参加。确保我遵守自己何时选择真正的犯罪故事的规则o。我认为自己更多是一个社会正义电影制片人，他花了很多时间在犯罪上。除非有更大的社会正义理由可以讲述这个故事，否则我不会讲任何故事。我觉得真正的犯罪集中在肇事者上，这使我们能够进行以受害者为中心的表演。因此，知道这个家庭既不告诉我们“否”也不是“是”，我觉得以非常三维的方式将她带入生活很重要，以表明她对其他人的影响。您认为Elisa的案子还是具体来说，如果那个电梯镜头是从一些不起眼的酒店来的，而不是塞西尔？这全是关于这个地方的。这是一家夜间缠扰者理查德·拉米雷斯（Richard Ramirez）的住所；奥地利连环杀手杰克·乌特韦格（Jack Unterweger）捕食。当我们尝试在节目中记录时，有众所周知的谋杀和自杀历史。这个地方有一个传说，因此当发布该电梯镜头时无论如何，人们都很有趣，但是我认为它传播开来，人们认为某种邪恶的事情，甚至是超自然的事情发生了很大的原因。 “一部近十年前出现的电影？从她被埋葬在墓地到书店所在的注册商，到结核病的Lam-elisa测试，这些都是令人难以置信的联系。这让我着迷，但实际上突显了我在我整个职业生涯中一直在拥护的事情：无论多么引人注目，都无法取代实际的证据。对我来说，这些只是您无法通过间接证据而无法做到的了不起的例子。这个故事中的真正犯罪似乎是心理健康受到虐待。这将是您进入“犯罪现场”第二季的线程吗？我不想说心理健康是我们领导的事情，但是，在许多地方，您恰好是您看到多次犯罪的一个因素，因此心理健康当然是一个反复出现的主题 - 某些社区的边缘化也是如此，在某些警察调查中，烘焙的偏见也是如此。某些核心思想有助于一个比其他地方变得更危险的地方，因此为什么犯罪发生[那里]，因此间接地，是的，您将在下个赛季看到心理健康线索。但是我不希望人们认为每个季节都是红鲱鱼。下个赛季，我们正在探索的合法犯罪。
SPOILER ALERT: Do not read if you have not yet watched "Crime Scene: The Vanishing at the Cecil Hotel," streaming now on Netflix.
From his "Paradise Lost" trilogy that began in 1996 to his 2009 documentary "Crude" that looked at the pollution of the Amazon, documentarian Joe Berlinger has spent a lot of time in his career and his personal philanthropy exposing false narratives and telling stories of wrongful convictions. But, he has also been interested in exploring how geography can impact criminal behaviors, such as in "Paradise Lost," 2014's "Whitey: United States of America v. James J. Bulger" and 2019's Netflix docuseries "Conversations with a Killer: The Ted Bundy Tapes." Now, he has teamed back up with the streamer for "Crime Scene," a true crime docuseries that allows him to dig deeper into these elements than ever before.
The first season of "Crime Scene" is subtitled "The Vanishing at the Cecil Hotel" and investigates the mysterious disappearance of college student and tourist Elisa Lam, who was staying in the infamous Cecil Hotel during her visit to Los Angeles. When she went missing in early 2013, a videotape of her alone in an elevator went viral and internet detectives began to hypothesize about what happened to her, including considering the supernatural, in addition to murder by another former hotel guest.
"I remember when this elevator footage first came out and I was absolutely fascinated by it. It was haunting, it was bizarre, but even more importantly, this was one of the early cases where web sleuths got involved, and I was fascinated by that phenomenon," Berlinger tells Variety.
Admittedly "fascinated by the nature of truth," especially in a time "where the nature of truth is under attack," Berlinger says, he set out with journalist Josh Dean's story about Lam as his initial entry point for the project. "But, because the story's been told in the past, let's do it in a different way, which is to create a series that talks about place, but uses Elisa Lam as the A-story," he continues.
"How do you tell a story in a way where you serve the people who know what happened and you also serve the people who are new to the story? We just decided that the approach was to give the viewer the same experience that the web sleuths had in the unfolding theories of the case. Obviously, that meant withholding selective information until the right dramatic moment."
Here, Berlinger talks with Variety about the importance of web sleuths, why the Lam family wasn't involved in "Crime Scene" and early plans for Season 2.
So much of this docuseries focuses on the conflicting theories around Elisa's case that came, not from the police who had combed the hotel, but from citizens online who were responding to what they heard about the investigation. How much do you feel that muddies the water in telling stories like this?
There were some very well-intentioned people who really felt a connection to Elisa and really wanted to solve her crime, and I think their intention and focus on her case really lit a fire under the Los Angeles police department, so I think it was helpful there. In general, there have been cases where web sleuths and people fascinated with a case have helped move it forward. In fact, the granddaddy of them all is when "Paradise Lost" came out in '96. It was just when the internet was hitting its stride; there was no such thing as social media but like-minded people were finding themselves on the internet, and "Paradise Lost" sparked tens of thousands of people to reinvestigate the case and advocate for the release of the West Memphis Three. On the other hand, with the rise of internet trolling and cyberbullying, we saw some people trading in all sorts of crazy conspiracy theories, and that's no good.
And accusations of murder against musician Pablo Vergara. What did it take for you to convince him, or some of the web sleuths who admitted they were wrong, on-camera, to you to agree to do this?
It made a deep impression on me, interviewing him, just how painful all of this still was for him. It made him stop making music. Whether his music is your taste or not, he is a creative artist, but he felt shut down from doing anything for seven years. So there is a dark side to false accusation, obviously, and trading in conspiracy theory. But I have to give them credit, it didn't take a lot of convincing to have them participate. They were interested in sharing their experiences.
You interviewed a lot of people who have never spoken about this case publicly before, and a lot of them easily could have gone on the defense when you're asking questions about the safety of the hotel or the mistakes made in police work. Did you find yourself having to reassure anyone?
The filmmaker-subject relationship is critical in these things. Luckily a lot of the folks we talked to were familiar with my work and they know that my work has integrity to it. They can just take a look at my IMDb and they'll see a number of credits there. I've been doing this for a long time. And then I just explained why the show appealed to me, why I wanted to talk to them, what my goals were. And we have people like Amy Price, the hotel manager; Pablo Vergara; Tim Marcia, one of the detectives who is in the show, who have never talked before. You just have to be straight-forward with people and not have an agenda.
On the flip side, Elisa's loved ones are not involved in this docuseries. Did you reach out to try to get them involved?
We made multiple attempts to speak to the family. We reached out to friends. The family didn't respond, and the friends responded that they didn't want to participate. Nobody told us, "Don't do this," which made me feel better about it, but nobody wanted to participate.
Did that affect the way you wanted to tell her story?
It lit a fire under me to really make sure that I make sure I follow my own rules about when to pick a true crime story and when not to. I consider myself more of a social justice filmmaker who spends a lot of time in crime. I won't take on any story unless there's a larger social justice reason to tell the story. I felt there's been so much true crime focus on the perpetrator that this allowed us to do a very victim-focused show. So knowing that the family neither told us "no" nor "yes," I felt it was important to bring her to life in a very three-dimensional way to show the impact she's had on other people.
Do you think Elisa's case, or specifically, that elevator footage, would have gone viral if it had been from some nondescript hotel, instead of the Cecil?
It's all about the place. Here's a hotel that has been the home to the Night Stalker, Richard Ramirez; the Austrian serial killer Jack Unterweger for preying upon basis. As we try to document in the show there's a whole history of well-known murders and suicides. This place has a lore to it so that when this elevator footage was released, I think it would have been interesting to people no matter what, but I think it went viral and people assumed something nefarious and maybe even supernatural happened very much because of the location.
What did you make of web sleuths finding parallels between Elisa and the plot of "Dark Water," a movie that had come out almost a decade earlier?
Those are all mind-boggling connections, from her being buried in the cemetery, to the registrar where the bookstore is, to the LAM-ELISA test for tuberculosis. It's fascinating to me, but it actually underscores the thing that I had been championing throughout my career: that circumstantial evidence, no matter how compelling, doesn't replace actual proof. To me, these are just amazing examples of how you just can't go by circumstantial evidence.
The real crime in this story seemed to be how mental health is mistreated. Is that going to be a thread you carry into the second season of "Crime Scene"?
I don't want to say mental health is something we're leading with, but it happens to be a factor in many places where you see multiple crimes, and so mental health, certainly, is a recurring theme -- as is marginalization of certain communities, as is baked-in prejudices in certain police investigations. There are certain core ideas that contribute to a place becoming more dangerous than others and therefore why crime happens [there], so indirectly, yes, you will see the mental health thread next season. But I don't want people to think every season will be a red herring; next season there were legitimate crimes that happened that we're exploring.
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