“捕捞和杀戮：播客磁带”电影制片人在与温斯坦幸存者和举报人的采访之前展示
‘Catch and Kill: The Podcast Tapes’ Filmmakers Show Never-Before-Seen Interviews With Weinstein Survivors and Whistleblowers
纪录片制片人芬顿·贝利（Fenton Bailey）和兰迪·巴巴托（Randy Barbato）正在为罗南·法罗（Ronan Farrow）2019年的《捕捞与杀戮：谎言，间谍》和《保护掠食者的阴谋》和随后的播客系列和随后的播客系列的声音发表面孔。”六个半小时的情节跟随法罗（Farrow）努力报告哈维·温斯坦（Harvey Weinstein）的掠夺性行为。贝利说，他的新闻讲故事的系列为故事带来了新的灯光，并充当“不仅是好莱坞的故事，而且每天都有每一个城镇的故事”，贝利说，让人聚焦于整个美国如何认可欺凌文化。Bailey.Bailey.BaileyBarbato通过Zoom加入了Variety，谈论他们的新系列及其当今的重要性。您认为在播客和书籍之后，有一个系列在那儿，带我们去了旅程？兰迪·巴巴托（Randy Barbato）：[HBO纪录片负责人]南希·亚伯拉罕（Nancy Abraham）和丽莎·海勒（Lisa Heller）向我们伸出援手。他们拍摄了罗南（Ronan），他的一些对话认为这是一个系列的可能性，他们与我们联系并分享了镜头。我们被这些对话震惊了。对于我们来说，我们立即认为有一个真正特别的东西的机会。我们是这本书的忠实拥护者，播客的忠实拥护者，但我们也认为，这个故事的情感维度可以通过电视改编而来。看到举报人，感觉到他们的故事，感觉就像是一个真正的机会和创造性的挑战。，但是当您第一次看到那个镜头时，您看到它栩栩如生的感觉如何？芬顿·贝利（Fenton Bailey）：这是毁灭性的。没错，我们阅读采访并阅读本书，我们甚至听到了声音。当罗斯·麦克高恩（Rose McGowan）在播客中停下来时，那是一种死空气，但是您可以看到她脸上的痛苦，您可以看到她眼中的眼泪，这是如此激烈。 ，这只是纯粹的情感。罗南（Ronan）在Silhouette（在第5集中：“编辑”）中采访了罗南（Ronan）的身材，他问她在哈维·温斯坦公司（Harvey Weinstein Company）工作。他问她这个问题：“温斯坦先生对你做了什么？”这么长时间的停顿，她放下了头。这太难了，您只是哭泣，因为您可以感觉到她的痛苦，以便在其他媒介中，无论是在阅读还是听到它，这都更加大脑，您会看到那个人在您面前受苦并应对创伤。这不是过去的几年，现在在他们谈论它的时候就在那里，您无法逃脱，感受到整个情感。谈论情感，S的力量Eeing Ambra Gutierrez叙述了她的经历同样令人心碎和情绪激动，但是在整个系列中，有一个重复温斯坦的声音的想法，不断提醒“只有五分钟”。你能谈论那个吗？贝利：他是如此令人反感人。我认为听到那种声音，那种不懈的，发牢骚，不停地，几乎就像机枪一样。它的狂热令人震惊，令人恐惧，但这就像leitmotif.barbato：这提醒他的声音在磁带上。犯罪是犯罪的，但是要伸张正义花了很多时间才能供司法公正。这就是罗南在这个故事中的调查新闻的力量。这提醒我们，我们生活在一个被权力和金钱共同采用的时代。观看本系列，提醒您要阐明真相需要多少。这是许多调查记者的工作。这是许多举报人的声音，这就是所有的声音一起与这个罪犯作战。然而，他几年前就在录音带上承认自己做了什么，但是，还不够。罗南（Ronan）和其他人以及所有这些声音都采用了工作。我们拥有一支精彩的创意编辑和作曲家和DP的团队，他们都非常喜欢从事这个项目。他们之所以被感动，是因为他们了解扩大故事和信息的重要性，及其在特朗普时代的相关性。Bailey：这是一个当今的故事。我们有一个恶霸，但是还有其他人。我忘记了我的生气，因为安布拉（Ambra）做了警察要求她做的事情，然后什么也没有。哈维·温斯坦（Harvey Weinstein）有理由相信那张磁带已被摧毁。该系列中的录音带不是她给警察的磁带。这是备份副本。她想将手机记录在记录下并制作自己的副本。但是随后，您对哈维·温斯坦（Harvey Weinstein）认为他能够胜任D.A摧毁证据，并感到生气E不知道他是否做过，但是您在系列中听到的磁带是她自己制作的。您能谈谈将它们放在一起吗？巴巴托：这是一个令人难以置信的创造挑战，这是一个平衡的举动，因为这个故事确实使某些戏剧化了。我们从来不想让声音不堪重负，因此与我们的团队进行集思广益和合作非常重要，其中许多人已经与他们合作了多年，并尝试了视觉效果。同样，这总是要回到播客，以及这些对话的源头和简单性。我们从来不想击败这一点，因为我确实认为这就是您最终与之保持联系的方式。我也喜欢每个情节的30分钟格式。当您拥有所有这些原始材料并且从未见过镜头之前，弄清楚这一点的挑战是什么？贝利：我们感到很强壮是的，最好将每个情节集中在故事的一个方面。我知道默认长度是限量运行系列的一小时。但这只是感觉到适量的剂量。我认为半小时的格式是新事物，尤其是如果您一次进行两次（这是在两集中播放的方式）的情况下。您有些感觉是“哦，我在努力，而且您不仅只有一集。”您希望观众从该系列中带走什么？Bailey：这不是真正的好莱坞故事。我认为这是每个城镇的故事。当罗斯说，她希望NBC律师看她的采访，因为这是他们的女儿，是他们的母亲，是他们的孩子，而他们的亲戚正遭受这种虐待，这使我意识到美国已经促进了欺凌者，并得到了认可，并得到了认可欺负文化。如果您不阻止操场上的那个孩子，如果您不忍受欺负者，那么对美国人的后果，作为一个社会是毁灭性的，而且具有巨大的破坏性。您只需要研究过去四年的经历即可知道这一点。站在欺凌者和工作中，举报人和罗南所做的事情是如此重要，他们站起来了。我希望人们感到鼓舞或遇到欺负者的任何地方。您不必是性攻击或欺负的，但欺凌本身就是一个可怕的邪恶。这是美国一支真正的破坏力，对这个国家造成了巨大破坏。“捕获和杀戮：播客磁带”将于周一在HBO上播出。
Documentary filmmakers Fenton Bailey and Randy Barbato are giving a face to the voices behind Ronan Farrow's 2019 book “Catch and Kill: Lies, Spies, and a Conspiracy to Protect Predators” and subsequent podcast series.
In "Catch and Kill: The Podcast Tapes," six half-hour episodes follow Farrow as he works to report on Harvey Weinstein's predatory behavior.
Never before seen (only heard) interviews with the Weinstein survivors Rose McGowan and Ambra Gutierrez remind audiences of the pain they suffered and efforts Farrow went to as part of his journalistic storytelling
The series brings a new light to the story, and serves as "not just a Hollywood story, but every day every town story," Bailey says, to shine a spotlight on how America as a whole has endorsed bullying culture.
Bailey and Barbato joined Variety via zoom to talk about their new series and its present-day importance.
At what point did you think that after the podcast and book, that there was a series in there too, take us on that journey?
Randy Barbato: [HBO documentary heads] Nancy Abraham and Lisa Heller reached out to us. They had filmed Ronan and some of his conversations thinking there was a possibility of this being a series and they reached out to us and shared the footage. We were blown away by these conversations.
For us, we instantly thought there is an opportunity for something really special. We're huge fans of the book, huge fans of the podcast, but we also felt that there was an emotional dimension of the story that could come through with a TV adaptation. Seeing the whistleblowers, feeling their stories, it felt like there was a real opportunity and the creative challenge.
It was all about how do you balance respecting the source material and not overwhelming it.
Over the years we've seen Ronan as an investigative journalist, but when you saw that footage for the first time what was that like for you seeing it come to life?
Fenton Bailey: It was devastating. Yes, we read the interviews and read the book, we even heard the voices. When Rose McGowan pauses in the podcast, that is sort of dead air, but you can see the pain on her face and you can see the tears in her eyes, it was just so emotionally intense.
To see that just added a whole other layer, and it was just pure emotion.
There's a figure Ronan interviewed in silhouette [in Episode 5: “The Editors”] and he’s asking her about working for the Harvey Weinstein company. He asked her this question, ‘What did Mr. Weinstein do to you?’ There’s this long pause and she puts her head down. It was so hard and you just wept because you could feel her pain that in other mediums, whether it’s reading it, or hearing it, this was more cerebral and you see that person in front of you suffering and dealing with the trauma. This isn’t a few years in the past, it’s right there for them, right now as they’re speaking about it, and you can’t escape feeling that whole emotion.
Talking about emotion, the power of seeing Ambra Gutierrez recount her experience was just as heartbreaking and emotional, but then throughout the series, there’s this idea of repeating Weinstein’s voice and that constant reminder asking for ‘just five minutes.’ Can you talk about that?
Bailey: He’s such a repulsive person. I think hearing that voice, that sort of relentless, whiny, non-stop, it's almost like a machine gun. The frenzy of it was viscerally repulsive, and terrifying, but it's like a leitmotif.
Barbato: It is a reminder that his voice was on tape. That a crime was committed, and yet it took so much more time for justice to be served. That’s the power of Ronan's investigative journalism in this story. It is a reminder that we are living in an age where truth is co-opted by power and money. Watching this series, you're reminded how much it can take to shine a light on the truth.
It’s the work of many investigative journalists. It’s the voices of many whistleblowers, and it's all of that coming together to fight this criminal. Yet there he was on tape years ago admitting what he had done, and yet, it wasn't enough. It took the work of Ronan and others and all of these voices.
We have an amazing team of passionate creative editors and composers and DP, they were all so moved to work on this project. They were moved because they understood the importance of amplifying the story and the message, and its relevance in the age of Trump.
Bailey: It’s such a present-day story. We got one bully, but there are others out there.
I forget how angry I felt because Ambra did what the police asked her to do, and then nothing. Harvey Weinstein had reason to believe that that tape had been destroyed. The tape featured in the series is not the tape that she gave to the police. It is a backup copy. She had the idea to put her phone into record and make her own copy. But then you feel angry that Harvey Weinstein thought that he had been able to prevail upon the D.A to destroy the evidence, and we don't know whether he did but the tape that you hear in the series is the one she made on her own.
You mentioned the editing, the music, and weaving in the archival footage, but this was all done in the pandemic, can you talk about putting that together?
Barbato: It was this incredible creative challenge and it was a balancing act because the story does lend itself to some dramatics. We never wanted to overwhelm the voices, so it was very much about brainstorming and collaborating with our team, many of whom we've worked with for years, and experimenting with visuals. Again, it was always about coming back to the podcast and to the source material and the simplicity of these conversations. We never wanted to overpower that because I do think that is how you end up connecting so deeply to it.
I also love the 30-minute format of each episode. What was the challenge in whittling that down when you have all that source material and never seen before footage?
Bailey: We felt quite strongly that it was a good idea to focus each episode on one aspect of the story.
I know that the default length is one hour for limited-run series. But it just felt the right amount to get these doses. I think that the half-hour format is the new thing, especially if you do two at a time [which is how this will air, in two-episode stints]. You’re getting a little sense of ‘Oh, I’m binging, and you’re not restricted to having just one episode.’
What do you want audiences to take away from the series?
Bailey: This isn't really a Hollywood story. I think it's a story of every town, everywhere. When Rose says, she wants the NBC lawyers to watch her interview because it's their daughters, it's their mothers, it's their children and it's their relatives who are experiencing this kind of abuse, it made me realize that America has promoted bullies, and has endorsed bully culture.
If you don't stop that kid on the playground, if you don't stand up to a bully, the consequences for us Americans, as a society are devastating and enormously destructive.
You only have to look at what we've been through for the last four years to know that. It's so important to stand up to bullies and the work that the whistleblowers and what Ronan did is that they stood up to bullies. I want people to feel encouraged or wherever they encounter a bully. You don't have to be, you know, sexually attacked or bullied, but bullying by itself is a terrible evil. It is a really destructive force in America and has done great damage to this country.
"Catch and Kill: The Podcast Tapes" will air Monday on HBO.
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