纪录片自媒体解说素材-新闻动态参考-犯罪与体育交集的“强烈抗议”董事以及小镇警察部队的失败/‘Outcry’ Director on the Intersection of Crime and Sports and the Failures of a Small-Town Police Force
https://cdn.6867.top:6867/A1A/hddoc/news/2022/07/0509/2733bapl2vpsw1q.jpg犯罪与体育交集的“强烈抗议”董事以及小镇警察部队的失败
‘Outcry’ Director on the Intersection of Crime and Sports and the Failures of a Small-Town Police Force
当#MeToo和Time的Up运动在2017年成为头条新闻时，讨论以相信幸存者的重要性为中心。对于几十年来遭到骚扰，殴打和忽略的女性来说，这是一个长期的哭泣。但是，性行为不端的指控很复杂，现在两年半后，帕特·康德利斯（Pat Kondelis）的新纪录片“强烈抗议”阐明了幸存者的故事如何因案件的不当而腐败。跟随前高中运动员格雷格·凯利（Greg Kelley）的故事，他因对一个4岁男孩的性侵犯而被捕。尽管男孩叫凯利（Kelley）为他的施虐者，第二个孩子也提出了类似的指控（后来第二个孩子），但凯利（Kelley）即使是通过审判和最终的定罪也保持了自己的纯真。这部五集系列在7月5日在Showtime上首次亮相，重点关注凯利周围的支持；与他以前的队友，朋友和室友约翰·曼·麦卡蒂（Johnathan McCarty）抗衡的证据；从凯利（Kelley）的案件处理中，他的错误是从他的年轻指控者受到质疑的方式，因为缺乏对其他犯罪嫌疑人的看法，这导致凯利（Kelley）于2017年在邦德（Bond）上被释放，并于2019年被免除。“这个故事中有多个受害者，”康德利斯告诉《综艺》，“我认为这对故事非常重要，也向观众展示。这不仅仅是格雷格·凯利的故事。尽管康德利斯（Kondelis）住在德克萨斯州威廉姆森县（Williamson County），但此案发生了，但工作将他带出该地区。这意味着他从启动开始就没有实时遵循这个故事，直到2017年3月凯利（Kelley）已经被监禁时才意识到这一点。当时，康德利斯（Kondelis）在SXSW上首次亮相他以前的Showtime Docu项目“ Doved”，当时“一个朋友的朋友”问他是否研究了“这个Greg Kelley案”。 “我说，‘我不知道你在说什么。''但是在与这个女人再次交谈并自行研究后，他被吸引了。“我是两个孩子的父亲，而我的大儿子是同一年龄开始这样做是第一个原告是。”康德利斯说。 “我会从想到，‘如果我的孩子来到我身边说这发生了什么？’那左脑右脑的大脑来回事。 ‘如果这是事实怎么办？即使这项调查如此艰难，如果他真的做到了呢？''''康德利斯的研究表明，“每个人都在战斗中有一只狗，每个人都热情地相信他们是对的，另一方是错误的，”所以他知道是否知道是否知道他将踏上记录这个故事，他必须对人们告诉他的内容保持警惕，并真正深入研究证据。但是他也知道，鉴于中心有一个很小的孩子，他必须对他讲这个故事很敏感。在近三年的结果中，康德利斯（Kondelis）和他的团队不仅重新审视了凯利（Kelley）的近期过去，而且在他们展开时也遵循了发展，凯利（Kelley）等待着他的免责判决。“我们觉得我们将继续继续直到我们知道一种方式或另一种方式，这是一件非常困难的事情，因为无论如何您永远都无法控制自己作为纪录片的故事，但是这是一个绝对零控制在法院系统中，我们正完全努力。”康德利斯说。 “观众将以我们经历的方式来看这一点。我认为这是一个非常大的情感过山车 - 至少在我们制作时对我们来说。 ，以及该系列如何照亮小镇警察部队的失败是什么激发了您对这个故事的兴趣？当我们开始研究它时，我遇到了格雷格的家人，我遇到了他们的一群朋友，那是一次压倒性的经历。大约是一个4小时的会议。但是大概是当我与他的律师基思·汉普顿（Keith Hampton）会面时，基思（Keith）可以回答一些我遇到的非常具体的法律问题，那就是我意识到：“好吧，我不能停止考虑此案。”它开始困扰着我，所以我们决定继续进行拍摄，不知道会发生什么[或]如果发生任何事情会发生什么。格雷格（Greg）对为什么会发生这种情况的看法，或者您对为什么发生这种情况的看法，这些年来您花了很多年来改变？他从不知道，他无法回答这一点，这是这很难的部分。这就是为什么我们实际上是“强烈抗议”的原因。当我第一次与他和他的家人见面时，我的第一个问题是：“他的名字是如何从那个ki出来的D嘴？这个孩子为什么说格雷格？”没有人有答案 - 这就是所有这一切的起源。那个孩子说格雷格这个名字。我从来没有得到答案。当您听到孩子这么说时，这是非常令人信服的，这是一个问题，这使得这是一个很难讲述的故事，因为很难找到清晰度。在您与他的参与开始时，也有一个呼声来支持幸存者。您如何平衡格雷格和他的原告的故事是什么，尤其是当您没有被指控者的采访时？我们想进入这个问题并尊重所有人，无论他们的立场是什么，因为当我们开始这个开始时，我们不知道发生了什么 - 我们不知道真相。我非常愿意，非常愿意进入这一点，然后说：“格雷格·凯利（Greg Kelley）的怪物。”没有某种倾斜或我们要去的东西，试图反驳这一点。我们只是想知道发生了什么事。您觉得您可以将原告的家人加入该项目吗？我不想努力地推动他们，但我想确保他们清楚地了解我们是什么正在做。即使他们不想参加，我也想与他们谈谈我们的所作所为，如果他们认为有一条信息对我来说很重要，我想听听并知道这一点。不幸的是，这组父母都不想讲话，我们多次伸出援手。我理解他们为什么不想经历它，但是我们想给他们一个机会。迪德你觉得自己必须为格雷格的家人做好准备，因为你想对这个故事采取公正的态度，并做到了有人意识到这一点后，有人退出了吗？没有人直接退还给我。但是在此过程的早期，我告诉他们，无论我们在这里找到什么，我们都将继续使用。所以那个Eans他有罪，他做到了，无论如何，我们不会掩饰这一点。我们不是在做一个Pro Greg Kelley的宣传作品。这不是重点。我也告诉格雷格。我说：“当我们说话时，我要问你一切。我要问您非常困难的问题，我们必须解决这个问题，如果我找到任何东西，我们将使用它。”我们不一定会使他的生活更轻松。他的一面 - 格雷格·凯利（Greg Kelley）认为他是无辜的支持者 - 他们渴望引起注意，他们希望告诉他们的故事，他们想被听到。具有讽刺意味的是，侧面的噪音同样多，认为他完全有罪，但很少有人同意上摄像机。您归因于对参与的不感兴趣？我真的不知道。在我讲的所有这些故事中，我非常尊重任何位于我面前和相机船员的人，他们真的不知道，并且答案非常差邪恶的问题。这是一件困难的事情，尤其是在一个关于孩子被骚扰和质疑当局的情况下。我敢肯定，这对他们来说很不舒服。锡达公园警察局的首席曼尼克斯（Mannix）值得称赞的是，他坐下来，回答了每个问题。我对他有尊重 - 我不同意他所说的一些事情，但我感到惊讶，但我认为这是其中的一部分。我认为很多人不想回答困难的问题。他们可以声称自己的信念非常坚定，但是当它取决于它并且知道他们将要受到挑战时，他们不想经历这一过程。我已经遇到了这一点，在我一直这样做的几年中，这是一个有争议的案例，尤其是在本地。当所有这些都在展开时，关于他是有罪还是无罪，令人难以置信的激烈和辩论。对我们来说，我们确实有一个强烈的恐惧，如果我们没有t让足够的人在这件事的另一侧，我们没有准确地告诉这个故事发生了什么。我希望我们能得到更多，但是我非常感谢那些坐下来讲话的人，因为他们没有判断力。他们有一个非常具体的意见，需要观众可以理解这里实际发生了什么。另一方面，您是否将格雷格的大部分支持归因于陌生人的大部分支持，因为他是小镇运动员？您对该地区的体育文化了解了什么，以及这可能如何影响他的观看方式？确实如此。我发现的是，格雷格·凯利（Greg Kelley）是德克萨斯州的一名高中足球运动员，曾是他的双刃剑。如果他不是一个众所周知的明星高中足球运动员，并且很喜欢他，那么他就不会有这么多支持者站起来说：“你有错的人。”如果他在乐队之类的东西，没有人会这么说。每一个尸体将尽可能地逃离那个家伙和那些指控。但另一方面，他是一名明星高中足球运动员，并被指控这一事实引起了媒体的关注 - 这使它成为一个更大的故事，因此我认为这增加了警察的压力为了逮捕，我认为这在此审判中放大了D.A.办公室的意图。因此，我认为其中有些对他有利，其中一些对他有利，但是如果他不是足球运动员，所有这些都会大不相同。调查，但是您是否发现了任何令人着迷的东西？我们马上看了看那个，警方的报告 - 逮捕记录 - 将格雷格·凯利（Greg Kelley）列为白人，他是混合种族：他的妈妈来自危地马拉，他的父亲是白人。警察的印象是他是一个白人孩子，所以我什么都没看见这表明种族在这方面起着任何作用，但是看到警察调查和起诉方面发生了什么，这让我感到震惊，而且我认为大多数人在警察调查中都希望和想要的是太远了和起诉。对我来说，这打破了人们的看法，即如果有一种严重的犯罪，警察将放弃一切，他们将奉献大量的资源，时间和精力，这将被视为严重的是应该采取的，并将其处理。这不是。看到这真是令人震惊。您只是有一个假设 - 我们都看过很多警察节目和电影，那里有这些人。我已经用出色的警察和出色的侦探完成了项目。但是，在这一点上，这是一次又一次的又一次又一次震惊和失望的现实与每个人对案件和犯罪的看法 - 这种严重的应该应该被处理。当提出问题时，他们会遇到这种奇怪的无误感。这是非常非常奇怪的。随着时间的流逝，您与格雷格的关系如何变化？我第一次见到他是在监狱中。显然，当您的面试对象入狱，建立融洽关系或建立任何信任时，没有时间。所以这很尴尬。由于犯罪的性质以及您必须提出的问题以及您必须涉及的事情，因此如此之大。这并不容易。但是他很开放，他非常渴望任何关注，因为他的案子的各个方面都可以离开。他从前几集中成为一个主题，转变为最终的三维角色，因为有案件的发展也是独特而令人惊讶的。真相是什么。你觉得自己现在做吗？我觉得我们与我们可能一样接近真相可以[但是]我仍然想知道我不知道的东西 - 我没有看到什么证据。但是我现在看到的一切肯定使我相信了实际发生的事情。不过，花了很长时间才到达那里。我的团队中有无尽的辩论。我们讨论了多年 - 我们为此做了多年的工作 - 这是一件非常非常困难的事情，因为有很多变量同时移动。现在是一个自由人的生活，但是指责他的孩子没有封闭或正义。还有更多的挖掘要做吗？我认为我们不能。我对谁在这种情况下做了什么以及一切发生的事情有自己的强烈看法。问题是，您的想法和可以证明的是什么，这是刑事案件。而且由于这项调查从一开始就变得如此可怕，所以孩子处于可怕的情况。他没有得到正义 - 家庭没有得到正义 - 我感到他们，我认为他们永远不会明确，因为没有证据。没有足够的东西可以赢得对另一个人的信念。
When the #MeToo and Time's Up movements made headlines in 2017, discussions centered on the importance of believing survivors. It was a rallying cry a long time coming for women who had been harassed, assaulted and ignored for decades. But allegations of sexual misconduct are complex, and now, two-and-a-half years later, Pat Kondelis' new docuseries "Outcry" shines a light on how survivors' stories can be corrupted by the mishandling of their case.
"Outcry" follows the story of former high school athlete Greg Kelley who was arrested in 2013 for the sexual assault of a 4-year-old boy. Although the boy named Kelley as his abuser and a second child made similar accusations (the second child later recanted), Kelley maintained his innocence, even through a trial and eventual conviction. The five-episode series, debuting July 5 on Showtime, focuses heavily on the support that rose up around Kelley; the evidence that mounted against his prior teammate, friend and roommate Johnathan McCarty; and the mistakes made in the handling of Kelley's case, from the way his young accusers were questioned to the lack of looking into other suspects, that led to Kelley being released on bond in 2017 and exonerated in 2019.
"There's multiple victims in this story," Kondelis tells Variety, "which is something that I think is incredibly important to the story and to show to the audience as well. It's not just a Greg Kelley story. It goes far beyond that in many different ways."
Although Kondelis lives in Williamson County, Texas, where this case took place, work took him out of the area for the height of it. That meant he didn't follow the story in real time from its inception, only coming to be aware of it in March 2017 when Kelley was already incarcerated. At the time, Kondelis was debuting his previous Showtime docu project, "Disgraced," at SXSW when "a friend of a friend" asked him if he has looked into "this Greg Kelley case," he recalls. "I said, 'I have no idea what you're talking about.'" But after speaking with this woman again and researching it a bit on his own, he was drawn in.
"I'm a father of two kids, and my oldest son was the same age when we started doing this that the first accuser was," Kondelis says. "I would go from thinking, 'What if this was my kid that came to me and said this happened?' There was this left brain-right brain back and forth thing going on. 'What if this was the truth? Even if this investigation was so botched, what if he really did it?'"
Kondelis' research showed that "everybody had a dog in the fight and everybody passionately believed that they were right and the other side was wrong," so he knew if he was going to embark on documenting this story he would have to be wary of what people were telling him and really dig deeper into evidence. But he also knew that he had to be sensitive around how he told the story, given that there was a very young child at the center who has not received justice.
"Outcry" is the result of an almost three-year period during which Kondelis and his team not only revisited the recent past in Kelley's case but also followed the developments as they unfolded and Kelley awaited the verdict on his exoneration.
"We felt like we were going to continue until we knew one way or the other, which was a very difficult thing to do because you never have much control over a story you're doing as a documentary anyway, but this one, we had absolutely zero control because it was in the hands of the court system and we were just completely along for the ride," says Kondelis. "The audience is going to see this the very same way we experienced it. I think it's a pretty big emotional roller coaster -- at least it was for us while we were making it."
Here, Kondelis talks with Variety about the process to bring "Outcry" to fruition, the intersection of crime and sports cultures in the project, and how the series shines a light on failures of a small-town police force.
What sparked your interest in this story in the beginning?
When we started looking into it I met with Greg's family, I met with a bunch of their friends, and that was an overwhelming experience; it was around a 4-hour meeting. But it was probably when I met with his attorney, Keith Hampton, and Keith could answer some very specific legal questions that I had, that was when I realized, "OK I can't stop thinking about this case." It began to haunt me a little bit, so we made the decision to go ahead and start filming, not knowing what was going to happen if anything was going to happen.
Greg's accuser did name him to the police. Did Greg's opinion of why that happened, or your opinion of why that happened, change over the years you spent working on this?
He never knew and he couldn't answer that, which was the difficult part of this. And it's why we actually titled this "Outcry." When I first met with him and his family, my first question was, "How did his name come out of that kid's mouth? Why did this kid say Greg?" And nobody had an answer -- and that is the origin of all of this. Everything spun off of that kid saying the name Greg. I've never gotten an answer to that. When you hear the child say it, it is very convincing, and it's questions like that that make this such a difficult story to tell because clarity is very difficult to find.
There was such a rally of support around Greg when he was accused, but at the start of your involvement with him there was also a cry to support survivors. What went into how you balanced stories of Greg and his accuser, especially when you didn't have interviews from the accuser?
We wanted to come into this and be respectful of everybody, no matter what their position was, because when we started this we didn't know what had happened -- we didn't know what the truth was. I was very willing and very open to go into this and go, "Greg Kelley's a monster." There wasn't some sort of slant or anything we had going in, trying to disprove this. We just wanted to know what happened.
How hard did you feel you could push the family of the accuser to be part of the project?
I don't want to push them hard, but I wanted to make sure they clearly understood what we were doing. Even if they didn't want to participate, I wanted to speak with them about what we were doing so if they felt there was a piece of information they felt was important for me to know, I wanted to hear that and know that. Unfortunately neither set of parents wanted to speak, and we reached out numerous times to both. And I understand why they didn't want to go through it, but we wanted to give them an opportunity.
Did you feel like you had to brace Greg's family for the fact that you wanted to take an unbiased approach to the story, and did anyone back out after they realized that?
No not to me; nobody backed off directly to me. But early on in the process, I told them that no matter what we find here, we're going to run with it. So whether that means he's guilty, he did this, whatever, we're not going to hide that; we're not making a propaganda piece that's pro-Greg Kelley. That wasn't the point of this. And I told Greg that as well. I said, "When we talk, I'm going to ask you everything. I'm going to ask you very difficult questions and we have to go over this, and if I do find anything, we're going to use it." We weren't necessarily going to make his life easier. His side of it -- the Greg Kelley supporters that thought he was innocent -- they were dying for attention, they wanted their story to be told, they wanted to be heard. Ironically there was just as much noise on the side that believed he was completely guilty but there were very few people who agreed to go on camera.
To what do you attribute that disinterest in getting involved?
I really don't know. In all of these stories that I've told, I have great respect for anybody that sits down in front of me and a camera crew, that they really don't know, and answers very difficult questions. That's a difficult thing to do, especially in a case that's about a child being molested and questioning authorities. I'm sure it was very uncomfortable for them. Chief Mannix of the Cedar Park police department, to his credit, he sat down and he answered every question. And I have respect for him for that -- I disagreed and was surprised some of the things that he said, but I think that's part of it. There's a lot of people that I don't think want to answer difficult questions. They can claim to be very firm in their beliefs, but when it comes right down to it and they know they're going to be challenged, they don't want to go through that process. I've run into that, in the years I've been doing this, on every side.
Obviously this is such a controversial case -- especially here locally. When all of this was unfolding, it was unbelievably heated and debated as to whether he was guilty or innocence. For us, we did have a strong fear that if we didn't get enough people that are on the other side of this thing, we're not telling what's going on with this story accurately. I wish we could have gotten more, but I'm very grateful to the people that did sit down and speak because there's no judgement on them. They have a very specific opinion, and it's needed so the audience can understand what actually happened here.
On the flip side, do you attribute much of Greg's support from strangers to the fact that he was a small-town athlete? What did you learn about the sports culture in the area and how that might have affected the way he was viewed?
It certainly did. What I found was the fact that Greg Kelley was a star high school football player in Texas worked as a double-edged sword for him. If he was not a star high school football player that was well-known well-liked there's no way he would have had so many supporters stand up and say, "You've got the wrong guy." If he was in band or something, nobody's going to say that; everybody's going to run away from that guy and those allegations as far as they can. But on the flip side, the fact that he was a star high school football player and was accused of this, that brought the media attention -- that made it a much bigger story, and because of that I think it amplified the pressure on the police to make an arrest, and I think it amplified the intention for the D.A.'s office in this trial. So I think some of it worked in his favor and some of it worked against him, but all of it would have been drastically different had he not been a football player.
Speaking of the police, the docuseries exposes a lot of problematic practices with the investigation, but did you uncover anything that felt racially motivated?
We looked at that right away, and the police report -- the arrest record -- listed Greg Kelley as white, and he's mixed race: His mom is from Guatemala and his dad is white. The police were under the impression that he was a white kid, so I didn't see anything that showed that race played any factor in this at all, but it was shocking to see what went on with regards to the police investigation and the prosecution, and it is so far from what I think most people would hope and want in a police investigation and a prosecution. For me, it shatters that perception that if there's a crime that's this serious that was committed, the police are going to drop everything, they're going to dedicate tons of resources and time and effort into this and this is going to be taken as seriously as it should be taken and it's going to be handled that way. And this was not. And it's horrifying to see that. You just have an assumption -- we've all watched a whole lot of police shows and movies, and there are those guys out there; I've done projects with great cops and great detectives. But on this one, it was time after time after time of utter shock and disappointment of the reality versus everyone's perception of how a case -- and a crime -- this serious should be handled. When questions were asked, they were met with this odd sense of infallibility. It was very, very bizarre.
How did your relationship with Greg change over time?
The first time I met him was in prison. There's no time, obviously, when your interview subject is in prison, to build a rapport or build any sort of trust. So it was awkward. So much of making this was awkward because of the nature of the crime and the questions you have to ask and the things you have to get into. It was not easy. But he was very open, and he was very desperate for any attention, for every aspect of his case to get out. He goes from being a subject in the first few episodes to actually becoming a three-dimensional character towards the end as there are developments with the case, which are also unique and surprising.
You mentioned that when you started this project you didn't know what the truth would be. Do you feel like you do now?
I do feel like we got as close to the truth in this as we possibly could I'm still wondering what I don't know -- what piece of evidence I didn't see. But everything I have seen now has definitely convinced me of what actually happened. It took a long time to get there, though. There were endless debates among my team. We talked about this for years -- we worked on this for years -- and this was a very, very difficult thing to try to figure out because there were so many variables moving at the same time.
Greg has closure in that he can go live his life as a free man now, but the kid who accused him does not have closure or justice. Is there more digging to do there?
I don't think we can. I have my own very strong opinions about who did what in this case and how it all happened. The problem is, there's what you think and what you can prove, and it's a criminal case. And because this investigation was so horribly botched from the beginning, the kid is in a terrible situation. He did not get justice -- the family did not get justice -- and I feel for them, and I think they're never going to have clarity on it because there's no evidence. There's not enough that could possibly garner a conviction to another person.
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